I am usually not too fond of the UK
Feb. 6th, 2011 07:25 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
However, this ink caught my attention. It is basically a speech saying that multiculturalism is failing. It was a speech given by Prime Minister David Cameron and for the first time, the UK is saying what Germany’s Merkel has been touting for months.
Let’s properly judge these organizations: Do they believe in universal human rights – including for women and people of other faiths? Do they believe in equality of all before the law? Do they believe in democracy and the right of people to elect their own government? Do they encourage integration or separatism?
"These are the sorts of questions we need to ask. Fail these tests and the presumption should be not to engage with organizations," he added. – David Cameron, (PM-UK)
The problem is extremism and specifically, religious extremism. There are many that say that many Muslims are moderate and extreme acts are carried out only by extremists. However, I put to you that, unlike Christianity and almost any other modern religion, Islam does advocate harm to others via violent means, in the name of Allah. The evidence is in the Quoran itself.
Islam is not all that moderate
What I have not quoted here are the verses that outline three different levels of relationships to Islam. I can provide those on challenge but they are woven throughout the Quoran.
- Believers – Muslims those whom have read, studied, and believe the Quoran.
- Unbelievers – Those whom have not yet read the Quoran and therefore have not the opportunity.
- Disbelievers – Those whom have read and studied the Quoran and do not see it as the word of God.
The first are favored, the second are to be converted, and the third are to be slaughtered at every opportunity.
I had actually prepared this post months ago. I have hesitated posting this because of the risk of reprisal. I am not in the continental US and am therefore much more accessible to them1 . This caused me to hesitate. However, if they succeed in suppressing this message by fear and intimidation then they will have won. I refuse to let them win by default and I have never acted predictably to threats. Yes, I have studied the Quoran and I do believe that it contains the words of Mohammed. However, whether it contains the words of any god could be a matter of intense debate. But then, I do not believe that the Bible contains the words of god either. I do believe that Mohammed’s grand vision, like Saul/Paul before him, was about how easily people could be led by religion.
I still maintain that, after the bible, it is the second best selling work of fiction ever written.
Quotes from the Quoran
That is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and His Messenger – indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.
And whoever turns his back to them on such a day, unless swerving [as a strategy] for war or joining [another] company, has certainly returned with anger [upon him] from Allah , and his refuge is Hell – and wretched is the destination. – 8:13-172
Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe – 8:55
And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged. – 8:60
And [yet], among the people are those who take other than Allah as equals [to Him]. They love them as they [should] love Allah . But those who believe are stronger in love for Allah . And if only they who have wronged would consider [that] when they see the punishment, [they will be certain] that all power belongs to Allah and that Allah is severe in punishment. – 2:165
Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. – 2:190
And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. – 2:191
And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. – 2:192
Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors. – 2-193
Surely! Those who disbelieved in Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) We shall burn them in Fire. As often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for other skins that they may taste the punishment. Truly, Allah is Ever Most Powerful, All-Wise. – 4:56
But those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah – Islamic Monotheism) and do deeds of righteousness, We shall admit them to Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), abiding therein forever. Therein they shall have Azwajun Mutahharatun [purified mates or wives (having no menses, stools, urine, etc.)] and We shall admit them to shades wide and ever deepening (Paradise). – 4:57
They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper. – 4:89
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment, – 5:33
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do. – 8:39
Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. – 9:5
How (can there be such a covenant with them) that when you are overpowered by them, they regard not the ties, either of kinship or of covenant with you? With (good words from) their mouths they please you, but their hearts are averse to you, and most of them are Fasiqun (rebellious, disobedient to Allah). – 9:8
Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. – 9:29
They (Jews and Christians) took their rabbis and their monks to be their lords besides Allah (by obeying them in things which they made lawful or unlawful according to their own desires without being ordered by Allah), and (they also took as their Lord) Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), while they (Jews and Christians) were commanded [in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)) to worship none but One Ilah (God - Allah) La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). Praise and glory be to Him, (far above is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him)." – 9:31
Verily, Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for the price that theirs shall be the Paradise. They fight in Allah's Cause, so they kill (others) and are killed. It is a promise in truth which is binding on Him in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) and the Quran. And who is truer to his covenant than Allah? Then rejoice in the bargain which you have concluded. That is the supreme success. – 9:111
And those who believe and do righteous deeds and believe in what has been sent down upon Muhammad - and it is the truth from their Lord - He will remove from them their misdeeds and amend their condition. – 47:2
So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives). Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam), until the war lays down its burden. Thus [you are ordered by Allah to continue in carrying out Jihad against the disbelievers till they embrace Islam (i.e. are saved from the punishment in the Hell-fire) or at least come under your protection], but if it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost, – 47:4
Have they not traveled through the land and seen how was the end of those before them? Allah destroyed [everything] over them, and for the disbelievers is something comparable. – 47:10
Indeed, those who disbelieved and averted [people] from the path of Allah and then died while they were disbelievers – never will Allah forgive them. – 47:34
And whoever has not believed in Allah and His Messenger – then indeed, We have prepared for the disbelievers a Blaze. – 48-13
- Islamic Jihadists. [↩]
- reference Quran.com book Surah 8 [↩]
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